How Happy were Celeste and Bella?

Someone left an off-the-wall comment on a YouTube video saying how sorry they feel for Deeter. He never seems to get any attention, does he?

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What about the children?

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This question is for the mothers out there. There are plenty of videos and photos with the kids in them. Do they seem generally happy to you? Were they normal, healthy children? Did Shan’ann’s autoimmune disease make her overly anxious as a mother, in terms of how she treated her daughters’ health?

What impact does social media addiction in the home have on small children, especially excessive focus on social media and selfies? What impact would the constant shepherding of kids as Thrive props have on their relationship with their mother. It’s now no longer fun and games, or spending time with mom in the kitchen, it’s the colder and more mercenary business of performing for and with mother towards a device – constantly.

My impression is that the children quickly began to associate the camera negatively. Just as children can be jealous and possessive of a parent, they can also feel their space impinged by the things that distract attention from themselves, especially the wholesale distraction which is social media.

The disastrous Christmas video is an excellent example of how this fixation on social media can spoil something as special and important for children as Christmas. Truth be told it can spoil it for everyone.

Social media seems to have had an above normal impact on the Watts home. It wasn’t just the photo taking, it was the extended videos on a daily basis, some lasting more than half an hour on a Saturday morning.

This continual distraction, especially of their primary care-giver, could have made them desperate to get their mother’s attention. In some videos one or both of the children are screaming, but Shan’ann continues recording regardless.

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Another aspect is the napping of the kids. They both took regular naps with clockwork regularity, and Shan’ann often said they were napping while she was elsewhere in the house recording her sales pitches. As mothers, does this raise flags that they may have been sedated?

What’s your experience, and your observations? Do two and three-year-old’s easily nap together in the day.

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Finally, well-balanced and attentive parents are better able to raise well-balanced children. Not always, but generally. Did an unbalanced family dynamic in the Watts home cause the children to feel more anxious and unsettled than they otherwise would, causing them to act out? Because of Shan’ann’s “health challenges”, did the children inherit poor health by default?Fullscreen capture 20181010 085340


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I guess the question we’re asking here indirectly is: Was Shan’ann a good mother?

Please leave your thoughts and impressions in the comments below. Additional examples from Shan’ann’s social media to illustrate your answer will be appreciated if you can find them.

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50 thoughts on “How Happy were Celeste and Bella?

  1. There are a few videos where Sha’nann mentions she’s sent them to bed for misbehaving. I know it’s difficult as a parent trying to find the right kind of punishment, but being sent to bed – I wouldn’t call that punishment at all. There are countless things to do in one’s room when mom is out of earshot. That was more for her I think, so she could do her sales pitches. But she also seems very put upon as a mother. Calls Celeste her little monster frequently. That’s not cool. Children hear things like this and internalize it. She also doesn’t let them just play. Bella do this, no no CeCe give that back to her, Bella don’t push your sister missy. But I think all of this was used, captured on cell phone and posted, to not so much advertise for Thrive because it’s not good advertisement, but to show how put upon she was. And as such, it was a plea for sympathy. Always needing the sympathy but showing how you can overcome the situations you have created for yourself in the first place.


  2. I don’t remember forcing naps at age 3 and 4. I was forced up until age 6 so I suppose I didn’t want to do any enforcing myself. I also got them to put away their toys at ages 3 and 5. Made it a game with new containers to put the toys in. At pre school depending on how long they spend there, they do enforce naps. In our household we were anti-drugs, sedatives, pills, sugar. I made their babyfood in a blender. I read on some anti-LeVel site that one of the ingredients for their powders and potions is caffeine. Try getting a kid to sleep hopped up on caffeine.


    • My son, when he was a toddler to age five, napped regularly. Until age three it was two hours morning, two hours afternoon. From three to five, it was two hours afternoon. He needed those naps and so did I, ha ha.


  3. My daughter used to take naps in the middle of the day. If not, she became irritable. That’s how we always knew it was time for her nap. She was about 3 or 4.
    I don’t se anything suspicious about these two little girls.
    Some parents are hypochondriacs and will pass it onto their children. I have one of those in my family.


    • My son slept like clockwork. Two hour nap at noon up until he was 4 years old. In bed asleep by 7:30 pm every night. Never gave him anything to help him sleep. Just was very consistent with his routine.


    • She stated that they slept 3 hours a day and then went to bed by 6:30/7.
      When they were at school, they didnt even get home until after 4:30. That’s really not much time for a stay at home mom to spend with her children.


      • A stay at home mom doesn’t only take care of her kids, she also has to take care of all household chores, which can be tiring with two young children because you never have some time to breath or rest. Chris doesn’t cook so she has to take care of him too – something not uncommon for stay at home moms. I’m one, so I can tell.
        Some children sleep more than others. My boys unfortunatelly sleep poorly and I envy people whose children sleep more than 9h per night (it’s usually the norm). This my youngest at 2,5 years can do, but without a nap. Sometimes he needs a nap in the afternoon because he’s cranky, then he sleeps after 11pm at night that day. A nightmare. My oldest was worse though and I’d never survive him without a full time preschool. I had chronic fatigue because he’d never sleep enough. When he was 6 months old he’d take a 40min nap at 10am, another 40min nap at 4pm, and only slept at 11pm and woke up at 5am, waking up hourly to breastfeed. He’s 8 now and has been diagnosed autistic with a pda profile, and I see it’s common that they have trouble sleeping.
        So yeah I don’t think she was giving them any sedatives.
        I don’t like the way she treated her husband though. If she can treat him that bad in a video camera, can you imagine what she did behind them? She seems clueless to me. But she might have had some depression, and depression can do this. It can make people irritable, not only “sad”.
        Of course this has nothing to do with defending Chris. And I don’t understand how people can believe this moron didn’t kill the kids – if he didn’t have killed them, he’d be crying for the girls in the interviews where he says “please just come back home”. He’d know they were dead already, but if he were normal he would cry for his kids’ deaths. I could even believe she killed the kids and he snapped and killed her if after that he’d call the police, or cry for his kids in the fake “they’re missing” interview. But no, he had the cruelty of getting their small bodies and ditching them in oil tanks. Nobody normal could do that, seriously, I don’t care how much desperate he was to not be caught.
        So, he planned this whole thing. He probably killed the kids before she arrived, who knows. But he planned when he went to work to let some time pass by and then report them missing. Her friend didn’t let him go as planned, I’m glad she went to Shannan’s house to check on her.
        Anyways this relationship was long gone and they tried to have another baby to save the relationship? No baby can save a fucked up relationship, in fact they can end up one that was working quite well.


  4. Bella and CeCe always looked clean and adorably dressed. They appear to be happy children and well taken care of. Shan’ann’s home looks clean, colorful and well-organized. No visible home safety concerns from videos.

    There were two videos that did bother me though. The one where Shan’ann repeatedly squirts Bella in the face with water from a spray bottle on the back deck. It was obvious from Bella’s facial reaction and body language that she did not like it, and wanted her mommy to stop spraying her, but Shan’ann kept going. I think Bella, at one point, even tried to open the sliding glass door to escape the non-stop spraying. We then see the bottom half of Chris come over for a moment to open the door for Bella, and Shan’ann said something to Chris (can’t remember what) and he shuts the door on poor Bella.

    The other video was of CeCe (maybe around 1 1/2 – 2 years) trying to get water from the bathroom sink. We see Shan’ann creeping outside the bathroom door from the reflection in bathroom mirror with the phone up recording CeCe struggling. So many things could have gone wrong here. CeCe could have slipped and hit her head on the toilet. We see no urgency to drop the phone and run to help her baby.

    Another video was of the arrival of new thrive bars – cinnabon and birthday cake. Shan’ann was waiting with glee for Chris to arrive home from work so they can taste them. Bella was so hungry and I believe said so on video. Shan’ann kind of ignores Bella cries of hunger, and starts eating a Thrive bar in front of her, raving how good it was instead of giving Bella choice of bar first and then get a brand new one for herself. Then Bella got upset that her mommy bit into her bar. My oldest child is just like this. If any of us takes a bite of her food, she doesn’t want it anymore. Not uncommon for kids to feel this way.

    Shan’ann was a very good mom, and was a good person. She had the love and respect of her friends and family. There is no way Shan’ann hurt Bella & CeCe – No WAY!

    No mother is perfect because human beings aren’t perfect. She did seem to get caught up in Thrive to the point it became a little like a Black Mirror episode. I think Shan’ann got addicted to doing those live chat recordings. They came across as disingenuous, almost like she was playing a role of TV host on Food Network, especially the way she open and tasted the Thrive products.

    I think Shan’ann’s story is a cautionary tale. These murders did not happen in a vacuum. There were warnings leading up to that fateful night. I think Shan’ann’s preoccupation with appearances may have been her weakness. However, Shan’ann’s strength, and it’s a big strength, is her ability to create strong, loyal friendships. Her friendship with Nichole is the reason Chris is in jail now.

    If Shan’ann didn’t have strong friendships, no one would have checked up on her that day, which would have allowed Chris ample time to go back to the house and get rid of her personal affects like her phone, purse, etc. and go back and dig a deeper grave. He may have gotten away with it if no bodies ever surfaced.


    • Exactly. Nickole Atkinson is the only reason CW could not get away with murder. She is the only reason police, CBI and FBI once alerted, had a full-blown investigation up and running. The killer had zero chance against Nickole.

      Nickole’s strong bond with Shanann solved this case.


      • Nikole is the real hero here, for sure, if she hadn’t been such a good friend, Chris would’ve def come home from work, dumped her things somewhere, made it look like she took off, on her own with th kids, but as it turn d out there was no way he had time to stage his cover up. Stupid man, who I’m sure is paying the price for it, because he no longer has Thrive in his system, and his mind is going to clear, and he will see in his minds eye every waking moment what he did to those beautiful children and wife. Nickole on the other hand, is also going to have to rbe live it all, because think of her guilt (unfounded) that she dropped her friend off into the hands of that murderer. I hope she gets a lot of counseling and help, and the mistress, I hope she is sitting somewhere thinking of what she caused, and that we as taxpayers aren’t paying for any counseling for her.


  5. This says a lot about a child’s life (@ 1:46)

    PREDNISONE is used to treat conditions such as arthritis, blood disorders, breathing problems, severe allergies, skin diseases, cancer, eye problems, and immune system disorders. Prednisone belongs to a class of drugs known as corticosteroids. It decreases your immune system’s response to various diseases to reduce symptoms such as swelling and allergic-type reactions.

    AMOXICILLIN is used to treat a wide variety of bacterial infections. This medication is a penicillin-type antibiotic. It works by stopping the growth of bacteria.

    This antibiotic treats only bacterial infections. It will not work for viral infections (such as common cold, flu). Using any antibiotic when it is not needed can cause it to not work for future infections.

    Amoxicillin is also used with other medications to treat stomach/intestinal ulcers caused by the bacteria H. pylori and to prevent the ulcers from returning.


    • The children may have simply become asthmatic from being sick (viral or bacterial…doctors often do overprescribe antibiotics, so whether they actually had a bacterial infection of not, they could have been given antibiotics) and given prednisone to reduce inflammation.


  6. Both girls are in fear of this Santa and want nothing to do with him @ 5:31

    Children pick up on tension within their circle. They express themselves, not with words but by other means. Their message is loud and clear.


    • As soon as Santa leaves, Cece stops raising hell and turns to being her peaceful self.

      Mom is not Cece’s problem. Mom is the girls’ protector.


      • Aaahhhh I disliked this video. Chris was diligently being Santa – albeit awkwardly – just as advised by Shan’Ann. That was the least worrying part of the video.

        Shan’ann let CeCe cry hysterically for 20 minutes which made me so uncomfortable and honestly just isn’t very maternal at all. CeCe didn’t look comforted by her at all when she was FINALLY picked up. She held her body away, had her finger in her mouth (which is what she constantly did when anxious or frightened) The look on her face says it all.

        The cake and cinnamon Thrive bar video was another perfect example of Shan’Ann being Shan’Ann. Not only did she look like she was under the influence of *something* with her darting eyes, strange speech, laughing inappropriately and hyper mannerisms but she seemed unconcerned with Bella’s obvious hunger. She kept teasing Bella with the bars and even said at one point “these are mommies thrive bars, she EARNED them” while the poor kid was asked to hold the camera up to film her.

        I could honestly go on all day. Those girls looked clean and tidy as it was all part of her OCD and need to keep up appearances. I’m not saying she was a bad mother at all but I’m not alone when I say that something clearly wasn’t right. Those girls hated that camera but were always told to “say hi, say this, say that, do this do that” and so on. The vision board and water squirting videos were other examples of her strange militant style parenting. It seemed unnatural to me.

        The 6:30pm bedtime, the frequent naps, the day care and constant name calling like “monsters & devils” made me think she could only handle them in short doses. To me they looked cranky and dopey the way one might feel when they have over slept.

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  7. This family while so beautiful and tidy, to me seem so weird. Their house looks like a model home that you see in new home estates, all the props from michael’s and so, so tidy. Maybe it’s just the way families do in that part of the country but it seems almost ‘stepford’ to me.

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  8. What I don’t understand, why Chris did not go to Trial so all this could come out in the Courts, I think he would have had a better chance defending his Actions. I know he took plea deal, but there’s a Clause he can ask for a Trial…… I hope he does this.
    If this Rourke guy hadn’t been so gun ho on death penalty…is he running for an election thing in Colorado?.
    Not all killers get death sentence, only because it’s in this state. Wonder how Rourke would have acted if not.
    I think Shanann contributed to her bring killed. There is so much in those Videos, that show…why this could have happened.
    These Site has So Many Interesting Theroies on here. I Enjoy reading them.
    The Author should be a Witness.


  9. Wow! Just Wow! Can’t believe the beating Shan’ann has taken from the readers here! Let me start by saying that I believe Shan’ann loved her girls with all her heart. She may not have made the same parenting choices as the next person, but, her kids – her choices. Did she give her kids caffeine when she gave them Thrive? Maybe, maybe not, but Thrive does have a line of products for toddlers/children. But if she did give them caffeine she would’ve been like millions of other parents who allow their kids soda, ice-tea, chocolate…….! As for the squirt gun episode? Bella was laughing and egged Shan’ann on to do it over and over and over…Harmless fun! CeCe wanted no part of it and Shan’ann seemed fine with that. As for Shan’ann “ignoring” Bella’s hunger? OH, PUH-LEASE!! Now that’s really a stretch! We don’t know if she had just finished a snack or even supper! I’ll say something here that others may not like – but, oh well. My observation from viewing hundreds of videos was that Bella was one spoiled little girl. It came through on more than one video. She was used to getting her way and she wanted that Pro- Bar that her mom was hawking to all her sheep. But to say her hunger was ignored!? Just no! Will also say that it’s not unusual for kids to want what their parents are eating! Did Shan’ann use naps as punishment? She referenced the girls going in “time out” as punishment more than once. She put them in time out in increments that were appropriate – one minute for each year of their age. Naps at their ages was normal. I never saw what time they got up each day, but I do know bedtime was 6:30/18:30. Chris and Shan’ann were usually up at 4 AM. So say the girls were up at 6 to 7. Naps from 12 to 2ish after lunch, some days less napping than others. Perfectly normal.

    One person posted the following comments: “What I don’t understand, why Chris did not go to Trial so all this could come out in the Courts, I think he would have had a better chance defending his Actions”. “I think Shanann contributed to her (sic) bring killed”.

    Um, are you kidding me!!!! NOTHING, NOTHING SHAN’ANN DID JUSTIFIES HER MURDER!! You can argue you’re not saying it’s okay, but those words are victim blaming. Part of the reason I say the poster blames Shan’ann is because of the other comments about Chris should’ve had a trial. The poster says “he would’ve had a better chance defending his Actions”….That says you think that if Chris could just explain to a jury why he killed the wicked, evil Shan’ann that they’ll understand and let him off the hook!!?? He would’ve had a better chance at what!? Getting away with quadruple murder!!?? Do tell – what excuse would Chris have used for murdering his little girls and disposing of them in oil tanks!!??

    If I had to criticize Shan’ann for one thing it would most definitely be too much filming of her family. Way, way too much. A good analogy for what Shan’ann did was to think of reality shows on tv. Its a known fact that children who have been on tv in reality shows almost always have behavioral difficulties as they continue to get older and older. I’d compare what Shan’ann did to putting her kids on a reality show for sure! It’s just not normal. Plus it’s a huge invasion of privacy on her kids and they couldn’t say no or consent to it either. I think it hindered Bella’s personality when filming while it made CeCe “ham it up” even more! I believe Shan’ann felt she was “working” while doing the videos, and she was, but as organized as her home and schedule seemed to be, she should’ve been more diligent in scheduling “work” around her family. Will end this by saying I think Shan’ann tried to do what was best for her girls and I believe she loved them very much. I just hope she didn’t find out they were dead before she herself was murdered.


  10. This is and was not a TV Show. It was a Family being Exposed because Shanann was more interested in HER. She was Number 1 in this family.
    Just maybe if she had paid Attention to her Husband and Kids, and the Dynamics in her Life, this could have been solved in a more appropriate manner.
    I believe Chris grew to Hate her, dispise her over time.
    Maybe he wanted Total freedom…no Baggage…
    No one can think what he was thinking and feeling.
    This is how he dealt with his Situation. Is it right….or was it wrong.
    There were many warnings, interesting how None of her Family or Friends, Spoke up. Maybe they too….. were afaird.


    • No kidding it’s not a tv show! This from someone who BLAMES the victim for her own DAMNED murder! Mm-Kay! I said I used it as an ANALOGY to compare children who have been excessively filmed to Shan’ann’s excessively filmed children! Your reading comprehension needs some brushing up on.


  11. Shanann filmimg sometimes for up to half an hour on a Saturday morning!? Shocking. She affectionately refered to her kids as little ‘monsters’ or ‘devils’?! Wow, just wow. She momentarily focused on something other than her whinging child? Smh, what a bitch.
    Do you know how petty and ridiculous you all sound!? Shanann was an exceptionally good mom. She was loving, patient, attentive, protective. Performing on social media WAS.HER.JOB. God forbid if she enjoyed it a little.
    My mom worked from home giving piano lessons and my siblings and I werent to interrupt her while she was working. It wasnt an issue. I think Shanann was incredibly patient attending to her girls whilst fullfilling her professional obligations. Watching her livestreams it annoys me when Im aware of Chris in the background doing nothing to help or divert the kids attention while mommys trying to work! Sometimes he interupts and just dumps the kids on her mid-stream. Half an hour to film isnt asking much


    • Of course you’re right. A 30 minute video on a Saturday is no big deal. Except the bigger picture is she was filming every day, and in her own video, she walks out of the house, to get distance from her husband and the loud noises of the children. When you start examining the mosaic of hundreds of videos, you begin to notice how the children/family/friends/parents become progressively turned off and turned against each other because of MLM/Facebook. You begin to see how the videos are a constant intrusion and invasion from inside the home – in the kitchen, at dinner, in the bedroom, during play time.

      So you are perfectly justified to look at one video and scoff. But by the same token, it’s perfectly justifiable to expand the analysis of one video to several days, weeks and years, and to look at the ultimate annihilation of the whole family before the actual annihilation in terms of blood and heartbeats.

      You are more than welcome to see zero connection between everyday behaviors and murder, but then what are you actually trying to propose? What’s your explanation for what happened here? I know, it’s the “he just snapped” theory, and along with that, the “I have no idea why he did what he did” explanation. At this site we try to find answers, not insist on not knowing them.

      If you don’t want to attempt to answer the question why, then it’s good not to look at the people involved, and what they did every day. All families do things that rub its members the wrong way. It could be meaningful to look at these, and even to learn from them.

      It may be more meaningful for you to scoff at all of it, and say, no, this was a perfectly normal family/mother/children. Again, if it was perfectly normal, then why are they all dead? He just snapped and everything was normal, isn’t an answer to that question.


  12. I had 4 kids at a very young age. I had a rare medical condition called Ehlers Danlos syndrome. I lived in pain but had not been diagnosed yet, however I ran a tight ship. My house was spotless, my kids were always within earshot. They napped every day at 1 pm they went to bed at 8:30 pm. I never gave them medication unless it was for a fever. It’s easy to have control if you start out with rules from the time they understand the word no. I’m sure she didn’t drug her kids. The only thing I noticed is that cece was allowed to be too wild. I think the thrive during pregnancy and possibly breast feeding (not sure if she did) is not safe and contributed to her hyperactivity. I noticed on the video at Chris’s moms house when she is reading “no more monkeys jumping on the bed” that when cece is jumping constantly shanann says “that goes for you too cece” instead of actually doing something about it she just makes the comment with no follow through. I was frustrated for the grandma because the mom was right there and couldn’t control her! I have 5 grandchildren and not one will jump on my bed more than once.


  13. I have viewed several of the videos (there are just too many of them to watch them all) and several struck me.
    Probably the one that upset me the most was the “Vision Board” one. Poor Bella, who was maybe three at the time, had no interest, no concept, of what her mother was trying to force her to do there. She was making her repeat all these phrases and words which meant NOTHING to Bella “You are loved. Say it. Bella! Say it! “I am loved?” Yes, now “You are smart. SAY IT!! And on and on. Poor Bella just wanted to scribble on the bristol board. Far too young for this stupid exercise, which was clearly only a way to promote the MLM and fake fantasy fairy tale to other vulnerable young women. The house, the clothes, the cleanliness, even the children, all seemed to me to be a desperate attempt to promote this Thrive product. .
    I believe Shan’ann however really was a vulnerable soul who allowed an MLM company to brainwash her this way. And that is one of the true lessons of this tragedy Facebook is now full of these women – Reddit calls them “Huns” – who drink the Kool Aid and truly believe in this bullshit. Shan’ann was bullied in school, so her self esteem would have been demolished, and her whole Thrive narrative fits exactly the narrative that ALL of these MLMs promote.
    Yes, she was exploiting her children. Yes, she was placing them second, behind this Thrive bullshit. But she was doing that because she herself was a lost soul, I believe.


    • Also the Santa video. I was cringing to myself and thinking “Turn that stupid phone off and pick up and comfort your children! Abort this mission! It’s ok to abort abort a Facebook video in favour of your children, even if your Thrivers will be disappointed! Pick that baby up, turn off the bloody phone, and love them for Christ sake! (Also, they seemed overtired. Maybe put them to bed?)


      • Hunbots = MLM-ers are called hunbots because many use ‘hun’ to address their targets/fellow MLM-ers when using FB messages. They also follow scripts for their recruiting/selling messages; that is where the “bot” comes in.
        An interesting blog to learn more about MLM’s is Elle Beau was recruited for Younique and she tells in several episodes about how that went and how she got out. On her blog is also a link to the anti-MLM coalition. Very interesting if you want to know more about this subject!

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  14. As a former journalist myself, I really feel the “Hun” invasion is worthy of a deep investigative effort. All of these pyramid schemes are using very deep psychology and research into the minds of young, insecure women with little education but social media savvy to buy into these “dreams”. They pre-write the narrative for them, provide the messages in advance. It shocked me, truly.


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