Who better than the FBI to profile Chris Watts to his face – and as soon as Agent Grahm Coder did that, the tide of lies shifted, and the other face of Chris Watts slowly emerged, like a tortoise slowly raising its head out of its shell.
Listen to the transcript while reading by going to 7:07 in the YouTube clip:
CODER: We’re gonna be looking for the man who did this. And you can imagine that [shifts in his seat] we’re gonna include you as that man.
WATTS [Softly]: Yeah.
CODER: I think that you’re trying to put on a brave face because you’re a man and you’re a father and you’re a husband. I can tell that there’s just something you’re not telling me. And I’m not sure what it is, and I don’t know why that is, I don’t know why you’re not telling me that there’s something that’s making you a little bit uncomfortable tonight. I just don’t believe some of the things you’re telling me. Okay, I just don’t. Simply do not believe you.
WATTS: Wh- what makes you think? What – what have I said that makes you not believe me at all?
CODER: This just doesn’t make sense to me, doesn’t add up. So can we talk about two
WATTS: Two Chrises?
CODER: The tale of two (Chris)’s kinda, um, and you need to help me know which (Chris) I’m looking at today. And which (Chris) you really are. So (Chris) number one is right here. Right? And fell out of love with his wife, okay? Started wondering what it might be if he didn’t have a wife to take care of, any girls to take care of. Spent some time alone, liked that time alone. Came home, may or may not have had a conversation about how to get out of this marriage or how to fix it, but probably how to get out of it. Is looking at a
bachelor pad in Brighton, and did something terrible. To his wife and kids. And that may have been an accident and I think it was an accident.
WATTS: The man you’re looking at is the man who loves these kids and loves his wife and will never, ever, ever do anything to ha- harm them. That’s the (Chris) you’re looking at right now. The (Chris) you’re looking at right now wants these kids and his wife back at his house. Right now. That’s the (Chris) you’re looking at.
CODER [Not buying it]: Why didn’t you call 911?
WATTS: I didn’t think anything was wrong.
CODER: I think you knew what was wrong.
WATTS: I did not know what was wrong, sir. I promise you that.
CODER: What do you think it’s gonna look like when someone finds out that it was not you that called 911?
WATTS: Everybody’s gonna have their own perception about what’s going on here, but
I know my wife. I know that sometimes she doesn’t text me back. I know that happens. I – I’ve – I’ve been th- I’ve – it’s happened to me multiple times. Throughout many days. That she’s busy with work, it doesn’t happen. That’s why it didn’t register for me that day.
CODER [Not buying it]: We’re back to this tale of two (Chris)’s, (Chris).
CODER: There’s a (Chris) who cares.
WATTS: I’m – I care. I promise.
CODER: Tell me about the call to your daycare.
WATTS: To Primrose? I called them to see if the girls were there. They said they weren’t there.
WATTS: I told them since they weren’t there, to put them back on the waiting list.
CODER: That’s not what you told them.
WATTS [Correcting himself]: I told them that we were gonna sell the house. Um, put it on the market, we probably won’t be in the area any more.
CODER: That’s two different things, (Chris).
WATTS: Well I want them to be back on – on – I put them on – on the waiting list as they weren’t there.
CODER: Why weren’t they there?
WATTS: I don’t know.
CODER: Where were they gonna go?
WATTS: They went to a – Shanann took ‘em to a friend’s house.
CODER: Why wouldn’t they go to daycare?
WATTS: I am not sure. I, honestly, sir, I am not sure.
CODER [Yaking things up another gear]: It’s hard for me as a father to talk to you like this.
WATTS: Uh huh.
CODER: Not because it’s a hard issue to talk about, it’s because I’m worried about your daughters under your care.
WATTS: You shouldn’t have to worry about them under my care.
WATTS: I watched them all weekend. I went to – went to a pool party, went to a pool party at (Jeremy Lindstrom)’s house. Like I love those kids. With all my heart.And nothing in this world would ever make me do anything to these kids. Or my wife.
CODER [Turning up the volume a notch]: When you walk out of this room, there’s nothing I can say to a room full of police officers that’s going to convince them that you have nothing to do with this.
WATTS: I know.
CODER: You know what they think.
WATTS: I – I know what all the – all of them, yeah.
CODER: There’s a guy who didn’t call 911, who woke his wi- wife – wife up…to get things off his chest and say I don’t love you any more, I’m leaving you. That didn’t go well. Okay, so what happened?
WATTS: Uh, she told me she wanted [me to] pick her up before I left. That’s why I – I didn’t just wake her up, like just to tell her this. Like I woke her up, that’s what she wanted to do and we talked. Like usually at 4:00 am I wake up, I go down and work out. This day I wanted to talk to her about this. I love these girls. I love these girls so much. And this picture right here, Celeste and Bella, those are my life. I helped make those kids. There’s nothing in my life that means more to me than these kids. Nothing. Kids, that’s – that’s your life, that’s your lifeline. That’s everything that – you make kids, they’re – they come first over anything. Kids, spouse, family. That’s what it’s always been.
CODER: Nothing you’ve told me tonight makes sense. Nothing you’ve told me tonight feels like the truth. Can we start over?
CODER: I think that there’s something that happened. That got maybe a little bit out of
WATTS: There was no fight, there was nothing physical. It was in m- it was a conversation, there was – there’s n- we didn’t raise a voice, nothing. I promise you that, sir, there was – there is nothing physical with this conversation.
CODER: What was the last thing – what was the last thing you saw about your daughters?
WATTS: Last thing I saw like when I left.
CODER: What did it look like?
WATTS: S- saw them on the monitor as it was switching back and forth.
CODER: What’s the last thing you saw with your wife?
WATTS: She was lying back in bed as I was walking out the door. Walking out the bedroom door.
CODER: Okay. When we finally got you to come, what do you think we should do?
WATTS: Honestly like they’re gonna come home safe, correct? When you find the guy.
CODER: When we find the guy, they’re gonna come home.
WATTS: Life in prison would be the – that’s what I w- that’s what I would think for two kids that are involved.
CODER: What if he hurt them?
WATTS: The, uh, th- I’m not sure if like that penalty is even used, is it used in Colorado? I am unsure.
CODER: What is?
WATTS: The death penalty.
WATTS: And I mean like if these kids are not alive, like there’s no – there’s nothing you could do to – to cope with that, to make me cope with that. If those kids are not okay.
CODER: Okay. All right. What was your plan after you guys separated?
WATTS: That I’d get an apartment.
CODER: Yeah. Nearby?…All right. Um, tonight’s been pretty intense I can imagine. How’re you feeling?
WATTS: I – I slept like two hours last night so, um, like running on empty right now, but…
CODER: I know. I can see it. So why don’t we do this? I’m sure you don’t mind if we take a break for the night. Um, and I’m sure that you are, um, feeling some of the pressure from me. Okay? I will…
WATTS: You’re doing your job.
CODER: I wouldn’t be doing my job if I didn’t grill you a little bit, right? Okay.
WATTS [Throwing the earlier aspersion back at Coder]: I’ve seen you turn into two different guys, like. Honestly like I’ve seen like where you’re smiling and I’ve seen where it’s – it’s different.
It’s not often that writing style is complimented in reviews. There’s usually a focus on the quality of the research or the shock-value of the revelations. I do try hard to find a balance between writing in accessible language, and maintaining a sophisticated, compelling and entertaining narrative. Not everyone gets it, but those who do – I’m happy to see – are riveted by it.
It doesn’t make any sense. Why go to so much trouble to commit triple murder of his own family, secretly dispose of their bodies only to confess, and then agree to a plea deal?
Or does it make complete sense?
This question is covered – and answered – in-depth in TWO FACE TWO POLLYANNAS due out in the next few days.
At the time I did this interview TWO FACE III was developing as a natural extension of the first two books. It’s since developed into a monster, and will only be released after the first week of November. It will be a meatier and far more disturbing read than the first two books.
My segment in the interview with Dark & Stormy kicks off at 17:43. Not sure why the Spreaker crams the audio into itself, but this definitely sounds like a speeded up version of what was discussed so listen quick!
The TWO FACE series is available on Amazon Kindle Unlimited at this link.
Book 3 coming soon!
Below is a five-star review posted today [October 15th, 2018] on Amazon.com for the second TWO FACE narrative..
Such an engrossing, captivating read, that will have you continuously swiping the pages. The writer of this book did an amazing job writing it.
*The key to understanding all people, and all social constructs, is to see people through their eyes, not ours.
After reading the first book and this one, it raises my curiosity even more. He points out many aspects of the Chris Watts case that I have not thought of or took notice too.
In my first review of the first book, I referred to it as a novel. I am completely out my genre on this. I am a romance reader and review them as a hobby. But this authors writing is fantastic, I enjoy his input on the case and was glad to see he wrote another. I will continue to read every book he writes proceeding this case.
He has many great ideas and a unique way with his words. His words are just so absorbing, I literally cannot put the book down once I began reading. The first one or this one.
A compelling read. I refuse to share them all and ruin it for other readers. The writer has such a unique way with his words!
*But there’s a nasty edge side to the blade of symbolism. While validating symbols can cut through a stifling jungle of obstacles, allowing us to escape our cages…
I would recommend this to anyone who is following this case and tunes in every night to watch the news. This book is better than any news channels I have watched!
TWO FACE BENEATH THE OIL is currently a #1 Bestseller in Trail Practice, and ranked #22 in Hoaxes & Deceptions.
The latest review of TWO FACE describes it as being 50% accurate “at best”. And the rest goes downhill from there:
Wildly inaccurate, a total work of fiction. This case is less than 2 months old and there’s extremely limited knowledge made public. Even the sample is at best 50% accurate. There were no cadaver dogs, they were search & tracking dogs. Cadavar dogs do not bark to alert their handlers either. The story the book tells is pure speculation, which [you] can read for free in any facebook group + copy & paste from news reports.
They’re not even cold in the ground yet and people are already trying to turn a profit and writing books based off of wild imaginations.
The main points in the review are summarized below:
Now let’s deal with these 7 claims individually.
4. “Cadaver dogs do not bark to alert.” Some do, some don’t. Here’s an example of a cadaver dog barking to alert:
5. “You can read all you need to know about the Watts case on Facebook, for free.” If it’s free coverage you’re after, True Crime Rocket Science has already posted over 20 articles, and an ongoing archive updated daily. They’re free to whoever wants to read them, and at least one new article is posted daily. Free.
The twitter profile associated with True Crime Rocket Science also highlights important news updates and ongoing insights about the Watts case – free as well.
There’s likely to be a lot more free coverage to come too.
There’s also an additional free resource of Watts case-related articles viewed – at last count – over 250 000 times on Shakedowntitle.com.
What the narratives provide that go well beyond the somewhat fragmented analysis of individual posts and tweets, is that it builds a much deeper, wider and larger case for what we know, and it builds something new that doesn’t exist in the mainstream or on social media: a cogent scenario [a theory] for what we don’t know based on meticulously incorporating everything we do know. That’s where the real Rocket Science lies, in the authentic narrative.
The narrative requires greater care and consideration not only to write, but to read. It’s a more concentrated analysis, and so it requires proper investments of time and thought.
A lot of the insight and research that goes into the narratives is only touched on very lightly in these blog posts, and the best insights are withheld in order to make the narratives stand apart as valuable in their own right. The blog posts are designed to be a quick study, a stone bouncing quickly and lightly on the surface of the case. The narrative’s long form chapters provide a much deeper, darker and richer view of all the information, typically within a particular theme and framework.
6. “The book was written too soon in a cynical effort to make money.” How soon is too soon? One of the factors that inspired the writing of Chris Watts were the initial reports by “experts” that his Sermon on the Porch was convincing.
It was this obvious heresy recycled by the mainstream media that I first attempted to counter in my first post on the Watts case, on August 18th. From then on, I felt the analysis by the media and on social media was far below par, with dozens of people making the same claims: From the misleading: “He just snapped”, “He’s a monster/psychopath/narcissist”, “If he just wanted his freedom, why didn’t he just get a divorce?” to the indignant by not particularly helpful “GUILTY!!!!!!!”
So instead of having these misperceptions misshape the narrative and perhaps control it, I hoped to control the narrative by being the first to put the most authentic narrative out there. In terms of the money motive, I write books for a living. How many people do you know who work for no pay, or wish to work for nothing?
7. Is the point of True Crime Rocket Science to be exploitative in the way tabloids purposefully manufacture clickbait [that they know is false]? It’s the opposite. But if that were the case, if the point were to make a nice profit, my narratives on Steven Avery for example would stick to the popular “innocent victim” theory held by the majority of the public. Selling the Avery is innocent narrative would sell more books. If that were the sole purpose, to would make sense to also steer clear of “controversial” true crime cases such as Amanda Knox, where a significant number of Americans still believe in her innocence. Instead, two trilogies have been written on Knox with two more narratives left to go. These books weren’t written expressly to make money; the mission was to address the false myths about the Knox case, a case which is a classic in how PR has been used to successfully mold public opinion around a true crime suspect.
Do the two TWO FACE narratives out there add nothing to what is being said almost daily on HLN and Facebook? It would be good to get the views of those who’ve read and enjoyed the first narrative, so if you have, please do make your voice heard in the comments below.
In the reddit screengrab the accusation is made that the language and tone is tabloidy and thus exploitative. You mean like CNN:
This is the way modern journalism looks and sounds today, my friend. As a narrator you either get with your readers, or you get left behind.
It’s the express mandate of this site, and this author, to provide an authentic narrative where none exists. Where the media narrative is not up to scratch, True Crime Rocket Science aims to address it. Besides this, the dozens of true crime books already out there proves how much can be exposed and understood simply by taking a long, hard, honest look in the world of true crime. Part of the special power in these many narratives is how the criminal psychology in one case translates [or indeed, doesn’t] from criminal to criminal and case to case.
It’s my belief, for example, that the criminal psychology in the Casey Anthony case applies to the Watts case much more than has been appreciated, imagined or acknowledged thus far.
The ambit of Rocket Science is to explore true crime far beyond the factual or narrative spaces of anyone else.And so on that note, there’s a third TWO FACE underway that focuses entirely on the dynamic of the two murdered Watts daughters.