Shan’ann Watts Also Has A Pinterest Page – and what that reveals

Various sources confirm an unusual trait about Shan’ann – she had Obsessive Compulsive Discorder [OCD].

When Nickole Atkinson gave an interview to ABC, she was adamant that she knew something was wrong with Shan’ann because it wasn’t like Shan’ann to go somewhere without her car, or phone, or to leave the kids’ beds unmade [let alone her own].

Atkinson told ABC:

“The girls’ beds weren’t made [looks at the ceiling, then to her left]; Shan’ann was very OCD. Everything in her house had a place. Everything was labelled. If something was out of the ordinary, it was very out of the ordinary, for her…”

Shan’ann’s OCD is a big deal. It was a big deal to Nickole, and yet the term OCD appears only six times in the Discovery Documents, a relative rarity given how instrumental this was to Shan’ann’s personality, and identity.

OCD was largely who she was. It made her somewhat controlling, somewhat overbearing, somewhat regimented in how she ran her household, and in terms of scheduling her life and those around her – Shan’ann ran a very tight ship. But how much somewhat are we talking about here, really?

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The combination of OCD and MLM is also central to the operative psychology of the Watts case. In September 2018 I dealt with this aspect in a post titled:

What impact did THRIVE have on Shan’ann’s marriage?

Of course it’s one thing to say someone is OCD [or a narcissist], it’s another thing to know what that means – to experience it. Nickole did, and we get a little sense of what she means by looking into Shan’ann’s pantry, and her home. But is it enough?

At the bottom of this post, Shan’ann’s Pinterest profile provides insight into the scale and scope of her OCD.  You can see the size of it at a single glance.

But, as I’m often at pains to emphasize in my books, when it comes to personality traits and dynamics, we can’t be told what they are – we have to be shown them, we have to experience them – like the Matrix – for the truth to really resonate.

Before showing you though, the OCD aspect deserves a little tell, too.

Shan’ann’s OCD was likely rooted in anxiety primarily about her health problems. Shan’ann had other anxieties too, but her health issues were fairly significant. The OCD was thus a response – arguably an over-response – to control her environment. That environment included her spouse. Now here’s the rub. OCD can also be rooted in narcissism, and aggravated by narcissism.

The table below from psychcentral.com provides some cursory coverage of the difference between OCD + NPD [NPD = Narcissistic Personality Disorder] and vanilla OCD.

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Notice the aspect at the bottom of the table:

No concern or empathy for how their OCD behavior negatively impacts others

When there is vanilla OCD on the other hand:

Constantly feels bad for how their OCD behavior impacts others

Thus far Shan’ann’s narcissism, especially as it relates to her OCD, has been completely missing from the media narrative, or any narrative surrounding this case. The accusations that Chris Watts’s narcissism stands alone, and is central to the murders rings hollow because we haven’t contextualized it: his narcissism compared to whose? Yours? Society’s? What about Shan’ann’s?

If we refer to Shan’ann’s social media, there are countless instances where she describes her husband as someone who does whatever she tells him to do. Shan’ann has no concern for how this makes him feel; it’s simply the way things work in their marriage, and he gets it, because he gets her. That’s great, except we can tell – intuitively – that over time being a pawn on someone’s OCD board game – even within a loving marriage – has to get old at some stage.

Narcissism is a popular catch-term in true crime now, dropped by all the big hitters – Nancy Grace, Dr. Phil, HLN and so on. And the more it is used, the more it gets reused.

Most of the folks using the ‘N’ word don’t really understand how narcissism works, and even less how it relates to true crime. They have a vague sense that’s it’s a particularly ugly form of conceit, and selfishness. And so I guess Chris Watts was a particularly conceited and selfish husband and father to do what he did. Well, except before he committed the crimes no one – especially not Shan’ann- would accuse Watts of being either conceited or selfish, in fact quite the opposite.

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No one, naturally, wants to talk about Shan’ann’s narcissism. That would be distasteful, wouldn’t it? Victim blaming. But here at CrimeRocket we’re not trying to win a popularity contest, or trying to use the same catch-terms as the talk show hosts.

We’re here to find out what the fuck happened, and who these people really are, at least, that’s why I’m here. Now when I say this, I say it with the greatest of respect; if you’d rather talk about only certain aspects of a case, and feel uncomfortable talking about other aspects which you feel should be off limits, please fuck off and go be schizophrenic in your selective reality on your own time, somewhere else.

For the rest, let’s answer the question: is OCD related to narcissism, and if so, how so?

According to healthyplace.com:

The narcissist’s very pursuit of Narcissistic Supply is compulsive…[and] in many respects, narcissism can be defined as an all-pervasive obsessive-compulsive disorder.

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So we see OCD and Narcissism are related, and that Narcissist Personality Disorder [NPD] actually exacerbates OCD. OCD and NPD aren’t the same thing however [a video at the bottom of this page explains how they differ]. But going back to additional reinforcing aspects from psychcentral.com’s table, we see there are some pretty ugly traits associated with OCD and NPD, especially exploitation, entitlement and arrogance.

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How much of this is “evil” in the conventional sense of the word? In some ways, none of it is evil. It’s simply the habitual psychology of control, or the efforts at control, and how that is exerted is by putting the world [and people] into box, with nice neat labels on. The world is also reduced to timetables and schedules, along with everyone in them. So the OCD-Narcisisst may not be aware of the terror they unleash on the world in their efforts to control every conceivable aspect, they’re simply doing their thing trying to organize their shit.

On the other hand, is it okay for one person to exert a fucking tyranny over another? In that sense, it’s not evil, but it suggests there is a flagrant lack of self-awareness. In other words, do I realize that what I do habitually can cause pain to others, or do I simply not care?

Shan’ann’s nut meltdown is a good example demonstrating how difficult it may be to know where to draw the line between tyranny, OCD and common sense.

Which is it?

Shan’ann’s Pinterest profile below shows the extent of her OCD. Not all OCDs are created equal, just as there is a spectrum to narcissism and NPD. But clearly, sometimes OCD is on a vastly different scale to what could be considered “normal”.

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The above profile comprises the following categories:

  1. Meal prep
  2. House Stuff [92 pins]
  3. Photography [54 pins]
  4. Exercise [54 pins]
  5. Party Ideas [16 pins]
  6. Tattoo ideas for Me [14 pins]
  7. Organize it [11 pins]
  8. Beauty
  9. Drink Anyone?
  10. Desserts [304 pins]
  11. Dinner is served! [273 pins]
  12. Breakfast
  13. Salads [47 pins]
  14. Appetizers and sides [71 pins]
  15. Sandwiches and burgers
  16. Food party ideas
  17. Snack ideas
  18. Soups and stews
  19. Dressings
  20. Pasta salads
  21. Gluten free desserts
  22. Workout
  23. Breads and Biscuits
  24. Marinades and dressings
  25. Bella [46 pins]
  26. Bahaha
  27. Good to know
  28. Lunch ideas
  29. Holiday baking ideas
  30. Valentines
  31. Love*
  32. Crafts
  33. Newborn pic ideas [12 pins]
  34. Smoothies
  35. German dishes [19 pins]
  36. Polish food [9 pins]
  37. Chicken dishes
  38. Ground Turkey Dishes
  39. Basement ideas [8 pins]
  40. Crockpot kinda Day
  41. Pork Dishes
  42. Bella’s 1st Birthday [70 pins]
  43. Kids activities [4 pins]
  44. Seafood dishes
  45. Kids playroom [23 pins]
  46. Mothers/Fathers Day [3 pins]
  47. Fathers Day [8 pins]
  48. Baby boy room ideas [46 pins]
  49. Man cave [2 pins]
  50. Pregnancy
  51. Halloween
  52. Thanksgiving
  53. Freezing food
  54. Italian food
  55. Thirty-One [82 pins]
  56. Outdoor patio
  57. Origami owl
  58. Dips [13 pins]
  59. Christmas
  60. Halloween Costumes
  61. Crafts with Kiddos
  62. Sensory Play [75 pins]
  63. Activities for 0-18 mo
  64. Gross motor skills play
  65. New Years party
  66. Super Bowl Party [20 pins]
  67. Girl room ideas [42 pins]
  68. Baby number 2
  69. Baby play
  70. Mexican food
  71. Motor skills play
  72. Girls Bathroom [12 pins]
  73. Easter
  74. Fine motor skills play
  75. Baby shower Girl [12 pins]
  76. Greek food
  77. Crafts to make with girls
  78. Healthy snack for kids
  79. Back exercises
  80. Keepsake ideas for kids
  81. Kids snacks
  82. Poppop to build
  83. Fondue
  84. 4th of July
  85. Bella’s 2nd Birthday
  86. Guest Room
  87. Dream closet GIRLS!
  88. Bathroom organizing
  89. Beef dishes
  90. Kids Keepsakes
  91. Reading nook
  92. 2 year old play
  93. Kids Science
  94. FMF
  95. Nails [59 pins]
  96. Fall
  97. Football
  98. Punta Cana
  99. Thrive Experience [0 pins]
  100. Instant Pot [25 pins]
  101. Organization Remodel Expert
  102. Wedding [220 pins]

*In the Love category, Shan’ann highlights various ways couples can express their love to one another, including 10 Ways to Strengthen Your Marriage, a Couple’s Appreciation Journal and 58 Creative Ways to Cheer Up a Love One. The category also includes The best days of our lives – plates with all the significant dates in a marriage. For Mother’s Day, that’s exactly what Chris Watts gave her.

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Many have criticized Chris Watts for Googling when and how to say I love you. Such criticism is fine, as long as you compare it to the other side of the equation: Shan’ann and yourself.

Further reading: OCD and the Death of the Christian

Ronnie and Cindy Watts believe Chris Watts didn’t kill Bella and Celeste, say Shan’ann “changed” him, was abusive and isolated him from his family

38 thoughts on “Shan’ann Watts Also Has A Pinterest Page – and what that reveals

  1. Narcissism and the ensuing exertion of tyranny over one’s spouse, combined with the commodification of one’s children, is viewed by some experts (Searles, Peck) as being a form of soul murder and moral evil.

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    • Hi, I know I’m late to the party, but why does anyone think he killed his daughters, she meets the profile so much more exactly, so many examples of munchausens by proxy here, show us the childrens medical records! Where is the premeditation in this case, where does Chris Watts show one iota of self protective behavior?
      A polygraph, no attorneys in interrogation oh it goes on, her body position following rigor actually backs up his story, NPD women do kill their children, she reminds me of the late great (sorry just wistful thinking) Casey Anthony, he certainly doesnt, for one thing, Casey Anthony looks like a damned mensa candidate compared to him.
      I think if our intrepid author takes this case back to the very beginning (a very fine place to start) stories will come out that change perception, oh and as for her family being so fabulous…uhm…didnt anyone find the peanuts and razor blades all over the Watts house contention by Shannans mother even slightly over the top?

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      • Hi Kathleen,

        You do make some interesting points, and you’re correct that Shan’ann does seemingly show a pattern of escalating behavior up to the murders. Perhaps even more so than Chris. I must admit I’ve made the Munchhausen connection in my head previously as well.

        Another interesting pattern of behavior from Shan’ann: She repeatedly denies access to her children as a means to punish those who have wronged her.

        -She denies Chris’ parents access during the infamous nut incident
        -She cancels the gender reveal but secretly tells her friends. Declaring that Chris ”doesn’t deserve to know”
        -She tells her friend that she will fight for full custody in the event of a divorce. By all accounts (even hers) Chris was a very attentive and good father prior to the murders, so why would she do this?

        Its food for thought.

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      • I have always felt she might have killed kids then him her. But with the phone movement logs, it’s hard to say. Cause I believe she was killed moments after entering the house.

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      • As you say, you are very late, and it’s not a party. This “intrepid author” has written hundreds of blogs that went to the beginning. Maybe you should start there before recommending others do.

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      • The autopsy did confirm EOE and a narrowed esophagus, which was what the reflux meds were for. The allergy testing was posted on Shan’anns fb page, they were in a physicians office and the child’s back was shown with positive allergic reactions covering it.

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  2. Again, I guess we can see why Chris would’ve been miserable, made to feel inadequate, which is hard for a man to swallow (this I know from experience) but we still can’t wrap our heads around WHY HE WOULDN’T JUST LEAVE OR GET DIVORCED AND YET CHOSE THE ULTIMATE ENDING WHICH DESTROYS HIS FAMILY…hoping one day we’ll know more

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    • Because he saw no end to it if he simply divorced her and moved on with NK. He knew full well how vindictive she was ( her petty tyranny about the nuts on ice cream); he knew her vast Facebook presence; her pretentiousness with the over priced Primrose school; her likely poisoning his children against him for life, etc. He viewed her (rightly) as a narcissistic monster, and knew she would never allow him to be a father to his children.

      That said, he should have spared the daughters and found someone better than NK who would love and accept them. And a good therapist and legal advocate to keep Shannan at bay. Guess he saw it as all too immense and costly? Or was there an accident with a child eating nuts? And the rest followed?

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      • Did he kill them though? Where’s the proof? Yes he did dispose of them, people lose it and do incredibly stupid things with dead loved ones, just a couple years ago Prince Charles bff decided to store his wifes dead body in the closet for a few years, but since that went down in a 70million pound manse he got 10 days house arrest. And where is the proof CeCe was allergic to nuts? Where’s the proof on Lupus, where’s the proof that this is anything beyond a credulous idiot who believed every word his wife told him, possibly including the comment, yes I killed them, but they’ll believe me when I say it was you. As for killing her, he did it, people kill their spouses all the time. I posit this, find out who told Bella that her little sister could die anytime (babysitters testimony) and you find a psycho in the house.

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      • You do realize that he is an actual murderer. He killed the kids and a pregnant woman. He pleaded guilty to killing the kids. A normal person with empathy would have called an ambulance when their kid is unconscious.
        There is no evidence that NK did not accept his kids, she just felt the kids needed time to adjust to the divorce. It shows his need for instant gratification a trait narcissist have. Plus he was lying about the baby to his mistress and not being the father.
        There is even evidence of premeditation in that he ensured he would be alone at the oil fields. Placing the girls in oil tanks suggest trying to get rid of the incriminating evidence against himself not preserve evidence against wife, if she was the actual killer
        Also his attempts at gaslighlighting during the initial contact with police and interviews shows he was a narcissist himself. His smirking and trying to hold back his smiles during the tv interview is disturbing. His lack of being able to anticipate that others would be concern over their disappearance shows the lack of empathy he felt for others. People cared about her and he just felt he could explain away their disappearance. Oh but he saw no way out? He had plenty of options. Maybe they were not optimal, but to kill two little girls and a pregnant woman only a monster does that. There is no greater good in his actions. Maybe her reaction to the nut incident was over the top but you know what I have a relative who is allergic to nuts and I am very mindful not to serve food with nuts when he is around. That is called empathy. For his mother to be lacking in empathy (Cece has to learn she cant have everything she wants or her way) shows how he was raised by a narcissist. Who blames a person for a medical condition.

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  3. Nick, your “please fuck off” comment as per some folk’s avoidance of certain aspects of this case is priceless. Gave me a good belly laugh and pretty much cured my Christmas hangover! Thanks!

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  4. The thing with narcissists is that they thrive (pun intended) on narcissistic supply. I grew up with a malignant narcissist mother, so I’m pretty well-versed in it. When you are no longer a source of constant admiration and ‘supply’, they have no use for you. Shanann’s facebook live sessions with her Thrivers were a perfect source of supply—a captive audience oohing and ahhing over her daily activities. Chris was also a supply source, a robot who complied with her demands. I’m wondering if there was additional abuse in Shanann’s past other than bullying. Where Casey Anthony lied to everyone else, Shanann constantly lied to herself.

    Also, wow—that Pinterest page is insane. You really can see the depth and breadth of the obsessiveness! You have to think how much time was devoted to that—weeks, months, years. And it’s all ‘stuff’. Many categories are labelled as “ideas”, but of course these ideas cannot be realized without purchasing something to make it happen.

    Sidenote: Coincidentally, my NPD mother drank herself to death 4 years ago today at 62. She was so toxic that I had to go no-contact. I hadn’t spoken to her in 15 years and didn’t even know where she lived (she moved around quite a bit to different states). Narcissists don’t do well when they age.

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  5. I think it’s no coincidence that she didn’t think she had anything to do with Chris’s distancing himself and coldness from her. Many of these disorders go untreated because the very nature of them is the person thinks their behavior is normal – and don’t understand how it impacts the lives of others around them. Now she could have gotten a clue – shutting people out of your life – like the grandparents of your children and the parents of your spouse and whatever happened in marriage #1 and how his parents interacted with her. Had they divorced or gone to counseling, it wasn’t going to be all about him – it would likely have been pressed upon her that she contributed to their dynamic. Might have taken years though. It was already affecting Bella – the video of the vision board and her hammering of poor Bella to get it right was sad.

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  6. “Might have taken years though. It was already affecting Bella – the video of the vision board and her hammering of poor Bella to get it right was sad.”

    Hence, his despair of a normal solution. I believe he thought she’d do a lot of harm to the children and also poison them against him, which is likely.

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      • The blame the victim mentality is disconcerting. The same people who do not want to throw the narcissist word around to describe Chris Watts have no problem using it to describe Shan’ann Watts. What was it the next door neighbor said that when she was in North Carolina he and his wife thought CW might have done something to her then because when they fight “he gets crazy”. Here is one person with a not so positive opinion of CW. Also her friend knew right away so the signs were there.
        I haven’t seen anything in the facebook posts that suggest he had no other options or that she was abusive to the children. The fact that many people go on facebook to project an image although fake is a reflection of many in today’s social media obsessed world. It is sad and fake but not a reason to hate someone enough to murder them or victim blame them.
        Even his parents came around and stated at the sentencing that they know that it was all him. Here is part of their statement read at the sentencing
        “We are not here to ask for leniency, we are not in any way condoning or tolerating the crime that has occurred and the“ They accept that their son has done this… they accept that he chose to plead guilty,” she stated. “They appreciate that he is given the opportunity to serve that life sentence. It is his responsibility, it is his sentence, and it is not enough to make up for what [he] has done.”
        “There is nothing that can be done to cure the harm he has caused.”
        The spokesperson said the parents of Chris Watts encouraged him to give a full confession, to help ease the pain and suffering of the victims’ families, but stated that nothing he could say would explain his behavior. pain that has been caused,” she stated. “We join in our daughter-in-law’s and grandchildren’s family in saying this should never have happened.”

        He had options and he can begin atoning for what he has done by giving a full confession. But he is a narcissist and a coward and he will not.

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      • I agree she didn’t have TRUE obsessive-compulsive disorder.

        She had a desperate need to control her husband and children to a pathological degree, and she kept the visible areas of her home neat and tidy.

        That’s not OCD.

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  7. Great article. The fuck off is Good.
    Basically Shanann drove Chris crazy and there would be no way to deal with her in A Seperation/divorce. She was too complicated and complex. She herself said she couldn’t handle 3 kids. She couldn’t handle the 2…..by herself. In his mind, he figured all the Wrong in his marriage, thinking now and the future and figures it’s better to get rid of his problems……forever.
    I thought when I first saw all her Video’s, there is something wrong with her, now with all these Amazing Articles and some excellent comments. You see everything so differently.
    No wonder he wanted out. It’s like a bomb waiting to go off.

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    • I agree Shannon. And I believe that Chris saw her trying to alienate the girls from him. Parental Alienation is real . There was the video of Cece biting Chris and Shannan laughed it off. That is a behavior problem that should not be dismissed. Like you Shannon, I have learned much from this site and the insightful commenters here.

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  8. Marie, thank you.
    I know I saw all the Videos. Some were just heartbreaking to me. Some were just sickening. The poor girls were probably so confused, always shunned into their rooms, crying whinning being ignored. Chris being treated the way he was.
    One thing you never see is friends or family visiting. I don’t really think they had true life long friends. Maybe because of her. I had said earlier I never seen any person like Shanann before, her ways. I’m pretty blunt and not one to shy away. If she was in my life I would have spoken to her. I would have tried to help them. Which I’ve done before, but you no what….they didn’t take the help, so I walked away. Too toxic and negative for me. But no one died.

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  10. This is not credible information, it’s sourced this from psychology today / psy Central and while they mean well the site is geared more toward clickbaity articles. by no means is it an academic journal and you really need to double check and make sure any content from their article base – before taken at face value- is being sourced from references provided in the articles that back them with empirical support . Articles lacking contemporary sources or comprised of 95% speculation without citation are at best risky and at worst will eventually get flagged and removed moving forward – sure, there are some seasoned professionals who write for them, but also a lot of goofballs. Hard to tell the difference if you’re not familiar with the literature or clinical phenomenon.

    * note this particular article he is citing listed zero sources (academic or otherwise) and was not written by a doctor but a mental health counselor from a Christian ministry in Florida. I usually find your work very insightful, I like the to read your stuff which is why I’m writing. Putting out information like this just detracts from your credibility and I’d like to see you keep up the good work.

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    • I think it makes logical, empirical, common everyday sense that control freaks, hypochondriacs , and narcissists – which Shannan surely is – lack empathy or regard for those they manipulate and tend to parent badly and in general make bad spouses.
      We need no expert to tell us that she has these traits: they are on full display in her videos, and in her behavior to her husband, children, and in-laws. She herself admits she is OCD.

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      • Absolutely agree. It just doesn’t seem plausible that he would kill them all for a 5 week affair. There was something much deeper going on in that house. When I saw the police video of the first day they were missing, I immediately noticed how perfectly straight the house was. Even though she had been away and he had two kids running around. I can imagine him stressing about having everything neat and orderly when she gets home or else. That would make anyone snap. Having that break from her for 5 weeks where he had a chance to be free fom the ocd probably made him very aware of what he was missing in life. Then she comes back, demanding he show her affection when he clearly doesn’t feel it anymore and then expects him to read a self help book. I would’ve thrown that book in the trash also.

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  11. Right.
    She doesn’t Think the problem is Her.
    She thinks it him with the problem. So she wouldn’t even focus on what she’s done or been doing.

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  12. Like several here, I believe Shan’ann’s obsessiveness/narcissism, for the most part, blinded her to its destructive effect on Chris and the children. It’s as if she existed in a hermetically sealed alternate reality (e.g. the Pinterest labyrinth of idealized living) that was impervious to the progressively encroaching reality of deteriorating finances and familial relationships. In the last few weeks and days of Shan’ann’s life, her emails and letters to Chris demonstrate this disconnect, because she genuinely seems surprised, confused, and profoundly sad about Chris’s aloofness and determination to separate. I know some attribute Shan’ann’s surprise and resulting despair to Chris’s covert nature, his hiding thoughts and emotions from Shan’ann. To some extent I believe this is true; however, I also think Shan’ann’s self-involvement, rigidity. and intolerance of others’ needs, their very humanity, enabled, perhaps even exacerbated, Chris’s introversion, because he didn’t want to suffer the consequences of disrupting/defying her finely ordered universe. Moreover, to live in Shan’ann’s rigidly ordered world, HER home, I believe Chris had to retreat deeper within himself to preserve some semblance of his own unique personhood. During the course of the marriage, I believe Chris’s increasingly acute interiority created a disconnect from Shan’ann’s world to the extent that Chris appeared to be perfunctorily going through the motions of being a husband to Shan’ann and a father to Bella and Celeste (as observed in several videos). Just as Shan’ann’s disconnect and self-aggrandizement overwhelmed her family’s emotional needs (e.g. the Grinch Christmas where the family is in thrall to Shan’ann’s insistence on choreographing it), so did Chris’s disconnect and need to reclaim his own humanity finally overshadow his family’s lives, especially the person he viewed as his primary keeper and tormentor, Shan’ann. Given Chris’s habitual introversion and fear of Shan’ann, murdering her along with HER children may have emerged as a logical, if not the only, pathway to his freedom. Although there were certainly other motivations (e.g., finances and an intense love interest) that caused Chris to annihilate his family, I believe his progressive detachment from his own feelings for them enabled him carry out their murders.

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    • We are attracted to the case for many of the same psychological reasons that drove both Shan’ann and Chris Watts. Their attempt to manufacture a “perfect life” or the appearance of a fairy tale, juxtaposed with the underlying nightmare is why it’s so disturbing. On some subliminal level I believe we are intrigued and troubled by this. We don’t know why, we just know that there’s some warning, some danger in this drive to perpetuate a fairy tale when the reality is different. The truth is, all of us are guilty of embellishing our respective realities. When it gets to the scale of living a lie, it can and eventually will lead to disaster.

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      • Agreed. On the macro level, our (America’s) historical, narcissistic, and fantastical belief in its own Manifest Destiny, in its own exceptionalism, is in fact the foundational lie that enabled our current cultural and political demise—the overarching context in which the Watts’s fantasies festered into lies and their ultimate destruction.

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  13. Nick, I,m sorry if I offended you, I meant it as a compliment and I like the books. I,m actually hoping that your work will help this not pile up as one of the great hopeless cases, Ramsey, etc. I hate them, and they tend to proliferate, if you were interested in writing more about Zahau I,d turn over 2000 pages of police files to you because somebody somewhere should tell the whole truth about how a little boy and a young woman were killed, and just exactly how much the police investigate murders, close no matter what is a motto and a sickening one, Natalie Wood had 6 different autopsy reports, someone should speak for the dead, but in the Watts case, maybe someone can help the living and you look like it, intrepid’S a compliment, you have to be, because there’s always sifting and it’s tedious as Hell. You don’t seem like a writer whose looking for quick answers, you seem to actually want to know. Succeed where I,ve failed so badly, prove what happened to them, ( okay failed to say it or write it, I,m scared of their money) but you can with Watts, there’s no billionaire, there’s no seriously powerful ( former Ruby Ridge fed now a sherriff). This could go to criminal and justice not just civil. But I don’t apologize for the use of the word party, let’s not lie to ourselves, though I guess circus is better, I mean, remember the 24 hour news cycle on George and Cindy Anthony,s fucking lobster dinner? Well now we have Chris Watts brownies from the commissary sigh,
    Again sorry if I annoyed you, tact can get eroded in the dark, slimy, never fair world of these big cases, not that I had much to begin with.
    Cheers
    Kathleen

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  14. I think everything Chris watts did was a firm of narcissism. That’s why you see a murder here of 2 innocent children. We’ve seen mothers and fathers, over and over display the same characteristics when they slaughter their family, namely children in this case. Example, watch clips with diane downs, then watch then with chris watts. They actually almost resemble each other in the way he has no pain and the duping delight is out of control. She only managed to have one victim but the similarities in their behaviors just totally convinces me of just how horrible he is. Now the world takes sympathy when there should be none, claims she’s abusive. I’m done with these crime rocket articles.

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    • Hi Samantha, I know TC is upsetting and I was a big Ann Rule fan too and read Small Sacrifices, but how is Chris Watts like Diane Downs, that girl was a complete nut who shot off guns, ran some lunatic fake surrogacy program, burned down her own home, threatened homicide and suicide, had a sick relationship with a sick family, stalked a man, caused everyone she worked with to avoid her, and had a long history of abusing and neglecting her children, and spent years trying to become famous, long before she finally killed, basically a narcissistic text book case, most, if not all of them are grandiose, can’t hold a job, have no friends, no education ( Bundy and Macdonald and Kate McCann being exceptions as there always are, though 2 out of those 3 didn’t work either). That epic loser married to Susan Cox Powell who slaughtered her was yet another huge failure who thought and acted like he was a rock star, where is any of this in Watts background? Humans, sheesh a strange unpredictable lot, and yet…there are usually some flags on the way for child killers, excessive self love, posturing, excessive spending, feelings of grandiosity, based on, well nothing, quick to lose their composure/temper, sometimes there is Munchausens, or by proxy, and again, he doesn’t meet the criteria, as for spousal killing, very, very sadly that doesn’t have much in the way of predicators beyond a lousy marriage, I don’t think Clara Harris was a psycho I think she lost it, that happens, it’s horrible but true. Child killing…well that’s a special kind of horrible and I don’t see where he hated his girls, put them through surgeries and testings and hospitalizations over and over or neglected them or made fun of them, I love you on Facebook is an utterly garbage way to show love or attention, in fact it shows a pathetic objectification, and objects are often destroyed.

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