Think You Know the Chris Watts Case? In Which ROOM Does HE Say The Murders Took Place?

In which room is the crime scene at 2825 Saratoga Trail? According to Chris Watts it’s an upstairs room, but which one? Is it a) the kid’s bedroom, b) the loft lounge or c) the parents’ bedroom?

The affidavit places Chris Watts in his bedroom. It’s about as safe a place to be as any, right? This is inferred from him stating he “returned” to his bedroom after discussing a separation with Shan’ann [presumably in the bedroom].

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The affidavit implies a single baby monitor, but there were nevertheless two cameras, one for each child, and one for each room, beamed to the same monitor. The children didn’t sleep in the same room.

According to the affidavit, Chris Watts goes downstairs “for a moment” [to drink a glass of water, to eat something, whatever he needs to be doing to not to be upstairs], and then returns an undisclosed time later. Does he make it all the way downstairs, or did he make a u-turn on the stairs? He doesn’t say. What he does say is he returns to his bedroom and while there, witnesses a murder taking place in another room on camera, presumably Celeste’s room.

In other words, Chris Watts places himself everywhere but in the rooms where the children are killed.

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In his version, Chris Watts firstly places himself in his own bedroom, and secondly downstairs and/or on the stairs when Bella’s murder takes place.  When he returns to his bedroom, that’s when he sees Celeste’s being murdered.

Thirdly, it sounds like Chris Watts confronts Shan’ann in Celeste’s room and kills her there, from his description.

What I find dodgy about this version of events is the going downstairs and coming back the same way. In his description, he places himself in neither-here-nor-there land, while something very specific is happening in another specific location.

There are at least two other crimes where we see a similar running around in circles, a sort of directional much-ado-about-nothing. The one is the Oscar Pistorius case, where Oscar gets up, closes the open balcony door and curtains, advances on the bathroom, then returns to the balcony and opens the doors and curtains. In the Amanda Knox case she also heads around the outside of the house to look into Meredith’s window, then heads out a second time. In both instances she’s racing around only to end up back at Meredith’s door, which she somehow never succeeds in opening [someone else has to do that]. Below is an extract from Waiting to be Heard:

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Probably the most absurd version I’ve heard to date is Henri van Breda who basically has himself in the same room as the axe murderer, but he’s basically like an

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invisible zombie. He’s there, but he’s not there. And the axe murderer sort of does what he needs to do and doesn’t bother with Henri. Eventually, in a magical moment, the ax

e murderer notices Henri, the two tussle briefly and Henri removes the axe from axe murderer so easily it’s like taking candy from a baby. Then the axe murderer flees, forgetting to step in blood on his way out and leave any traces of himself. Henri someone manages

to step through the crime scene and not leave any footprints in blood too – like the axe murderer.

In Henri’s version, he’s where the axe murders take place when his brother and fa ther are murdered, but he’s somewhere else [standing like statue in his own room] when the women of the house are murdered. Needless to say, Henri was convicted on all charges.

Now, back to the Watts case. When everyone is dead, Chris Watts  returns to his own bedroom and strips the bed sheets, dumping some of the bedding later in the trash.There’s no mention of him trying to perform CPR on anyone.

 

 

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Does the stripped bed mean the crime happened on the bed? It could. It didn’t in the Oscar Pistorius case. In the Jodi Arias case the bed was also stripped, and bedclothes stuffed into the washing machine, but the crime didn’t take place in the bed or the bedroom.

In the Watts case, we know Detective Baumhover found no blood, and no obvious signs of foul play on the bedding. Chris Watts also chose to bury his wife using a sheet from their bedroom. Presumably this sheet was meant to temporarily cover the corpse and seal in the smells.

If Chris Watts version is to be believed, then all three murders took place upstairs in the children’s bedrooms, and Shan’ann was murdered in Celeste’s room.

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But should Chris Watts’ version be believed? If not, what’s the alternative?

23 thoughts on “Think You Know the Chris Watts Case? In Which ROOM Does HE Say The Murders Took Place?

  1. I’ve read that many people think she was killed as soon as she came in the door. I may have thought that for a minute myself but I do believe she went upstairs. The fact that her suitcase downstairs only meant to me that she was too tired to take it with her at the time or maybe she was going to have Chris carry it up. I’m still trying to figure out how the monitor plays into the scenario because I know they do. Just a feeling I have but I don’t know if we’ll ever really know since he’s such a liar.

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      • I did read Two-Face but it’s a lot to absorb and you’re right, it needs to be read slowly and when I read it the first time the links weren’t working but they were the 2nd time. It makes much more sense and things are more clear. I just finished Beneath the Oil for the 2nd time. Anxiously awaiting the third one now

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  2. I would like to know if the dog alerted to Chris’s bed. Whether he sedated them first, then smothered them, overdosed them, or strangled them wouldn’t it be easier for him to have them in one area, laid out on his bed. Consider if it was strangulation. CeCe is still in a crib. It might have been difficult for him to reach down over the railing and strangle her. Conversely it would be difficult in Chris’s version for Sha’nann to do that as well.

    So whether he let the girls go to bed or take a nap in his bed (and there are other videos of the three of them on the master bed) or sedated them in their own bed and crib, I think he laid them out on his bed, otherwise why throw some of the bedding in the trash.

    Also would like to know if any bodily fluids were present on the sheet and pillow cases he threw in the trash (actually I think it said on top of the trash can). Saliva or urine, just as urine was found outside the wine cellar door belonging to JonBenet.

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    • If you know you will strangle someone, you do it with aplomb, with force, no second thoughts. Can’t reach someone’s neck, you do what you have to do to get to that neck and strangle it. A three year old is no match for an adult. It is sheer animal violence focused on annihilation of a life.
      Asphyxiation is bloodless- police were looking for spots or streaks of blood. Something that told them there was foul play at that home.

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  3. Also if the officer noted “no signs of a struggle” on Watt’s bed, that would fit with a drugging first, perhaps smothering later, with a pillow, then removing the bedding and putting it on the trash can for disposal later.

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  4. Nick writes:
    “What I find dodgy about this version of events is the going downstairs and coming back the same way. In his description, he places himself in neither-here-nor-there land, while something very specific is happening in another specific location.”

    He has to allow time for his wife murdering her two girls. It’s such a stupidly bland narrative, it beggars belief.

    He changed the time of the “emotional conversation” from 5 to 4am because he subconsciously “forgot”
    4 am is his routine wake up time to go to his Anadarko job.

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  5. What time was Deeter heard barking? It was early morning, wasn’t it? If Watts strangled his girls much earlier, before he was seen barbecuing, wouldn’t he have wanted to sequester Deeter then? Would Deeter be barking because he was behind a closed door or because he was behind a closed door and something stressful was going on? Would he have sequestered Deeter during the killing of the girls, or only for the killing of his wife. This is another reason I don’t believe Chris strangled the girls. It’s just a theory, but I think he sedated them, then used a pillow to suffocate them. Any ideas Piktor as to why he would have stripped his bed, and thrown one sheet and pillow cases on top of the trash can unless something occurred on his bed? If all he wanted was one sheet to wrap, cover, or help transport them to his truck to hide them in the back why throw the rest of the bedding on top of the trash can?

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  6. Neighbors say Dieter barked “all night”. Dogs sense the unusual. Unusual noise, unusual smell, unusual goings on at home.
    Dieter slept in the garage, so it was behind a closed door that something unusual made him sound the alarm and begin barking “all night”.
    I don’t see Watts strangling two small girls. Maybe asphyxiation either with a pillow or drowning them in a bathtub.
    A lot happened on that bed. He would not be sleeping inside those sheets. He probably was running out of time so he stripped the bed and later, after work, would lay fresh sheets.
    He probably threw the sheet and pillowcases on the trash can in disgust at the sight of them and what they meant to him. Out with the old.

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  7. What has never, and still doesn’t fit for me is the timeline.
    Any help on this will be greatly appreciated because it’s beginning to hurt my brain.
    CW has all weekend. If we focus just on the night of the crimes he has about 10 hours.
    If he’s lying in wait and Shanann never makes it upstairs why in the hell is the bedding removed from the master bed? If he murdered his daughters in the master bed before Shanann got home and there is evidence on the sheets, he has hours upon hours to remake the bed and bag up the sheets to take with him and remove them from the scene. If he murdered Shanann in that bed he still has 3 hours.
    I don’t think he was dismembering anyone. If he was, then that would account for a lot, if not all of the 10 hours. But i don’t think it was necessary – the small girls could be made to fit. (This line of thought is horrible). Broken bones would do the trick. Footprint on a plastic bag…
    Due to her late flight he knew he didn’t have time to dismember Shanann if that was the original plan. I assume she wasn’t dismembered or she wouldn’t have been placed in a shallow grave. (The piece of exposed sheet really defines the word shallow).
    If he needs something to cover the bodies – once again he’s got all weekend to find the linen closet.
    Why not use some of this vast ocean of time to stage the scene? His story is that she just “vanished” with the children. He sets his story up with the “emotional conversation” possibly in an attempt to lead everyone to believe she left because she was upset about the separation. No car, no purse, no money, no credit cards, no keys, no car seats, no medications, no Thrive protein bars and most importantly NO PHONE. (She could have grabbed her suitcase on the way out and had clothes and toiletries). With all the doors locked and no signs of foul play he’s cleverly left us with only one option – alien abduction. Beam me up Scotty.
    I realize we only have bits and pieces to work with at this point but the timeline is my mental stumbling block. If he’s planned this. If he murdered the children before she got home. If he’s laying in wait and murders her as soon as she comes through the door. Then he has way too much time on his hands to leave such a disorganized/unstaged crime scene.
    Is it possible (and this is really hard for me to believe) that he was arrogant enough to believe once he had annihilated his family that he and Dieter had the house all to themselves again and he would just clean up the mess after work on Monday? But that doesn’t explain why he seems to be leaving late for work Monday morning. Was he leaving late? Did NUA’s showing up at the house literally serve up his life sentence because he was so arrogant?
    Be gentle, but please feel free to point out where I might be stuck on stupid with this line of thinking.

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    • If you have a tape, measure out 8 inches [20 centimeters], and then try to imagine stuffing a 4 year old child through that opening. I doubt whether a head, hips or ribcage would fit through such a small opening.

      If you read the post comparing the Watts Case as an imperfect murder to the Khashoggi Case, then you see how quickly an adult male body can be dismembered. The real issue with the timeline is why was he a little later to leave than usual? It can’t be because the murders took a long time to play out, so it has to do with some sort of clean-up operation.

      Who knows, maybe a lot of that time was spent cleaning up social media, or messages on her phone, not necessarily the crime scene.

      The removal of the bed sheets is to get rid of evidence, not necessarily of something happening on them that is crime-related, but something not happening. For example, if you [or the victim] haven’t slept in a bed, then there won’t be fibers etc. So the removal of the sheets is to contaminate that aspect of the narrative. It’s like wiping out fingerprints. Not all fingerprints matter, but by getting rid of all of them, you leave the investigator in the dark.

      If you think the murders weren’t premeditated then you’re excused from considering the following point. If they were premeditated, no murderer is going lie in bed [probably awake] for hours next his victim when he can get busy killing and cleaning up, especially with so little time to play with.

      Besides that, you’d have to be an idiot to kill someone in your bed. It’s about as close as it’s possible to come to signing your name on the murder victim. It’s really the last place a murderer wants to commit a crime, especially a premeditated crime. For this reason, in his affidavit, he places the crime scenes everywhere upstairs except in the parents’ master bedroom. As soon as the crime happens there, either in a version of events or in reality, the inevitable suspect HAS to be him.

      In my opinion, none of the murders happened upstairs.

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      • Wow. Thank you for taking the time to hugely broaden my perspective. Lots to re-think here!
        I apologize for getting off topic with my post but that master bedroom bedding has been sitting behind my eyes and poking at my brain for weeks.
        I believe these murders were premeditated. I think the premeditation was over a long period of time and the longer he mentally massaged the idea of murder the more he mentally justified his own victim status.

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    • “Then he has way too much time on his hands to leave such a disorganized/unstaged crime scene.” – I’m not sure what was disorganized about it. A disorganized crime scene leaves behind a lot of evidence. The Oscar Pistorius crime scene is disorganized, but even in the few minutes he had, there was a lot of wiping, cleaning up and moving. His victim was also washed – at least, her face was. And he also washed himself, all within minutes of the crime.

      The sheets dumped into the trash, yes, but Watts had every reason to suspect the cops wouldn’t be called until HE called them. He doubtless knew about the doctor’s appointment, and if she didn’t turn up for that, she had to be somewhere else [not necessarily at the house]. He could, theoretically, have taken her phone and her car that evening and parked it and left it somewhere, and that alone would have stymied investigators about what happened to her, and where she went.

      Also bear in mind that if it was planned, the flight delay over several hours may have caused him to rush and make changes more than he’d anticipated.

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      • The Pistorius case is a good comparison for me. I haven’t read your book(s) on the case so I don’t know your opinion but I wholeheartedly believe that he premeditated Reva’s murder. Avery/Dassey is in my mind another blatant example of premeditated and planned murder.
        Your replies have made it obvious to me that in trying to find the devil in the details in this case that my perspective is not broad enough and my own perspective is tripping me up and at times bringing me to a complete stop. My circular thinking is like a hamster in a wheel. I’m in the right wheel and going like hell but confining myself to repeat the the same path over and over.
        I continue to try to climb inside the mind of CW but apparently I keep lugging a giant overstuffed suitcase of “me” in there.
        Back to the subject of this post. I will have to re-think where CW committed the murders because unfortunately I followed him right up those stairs to the pile of bedding on the floor. Shit. Shit. Shit.
        I’m trying hard to break this emphasis on “logical” thinking. If I can’t, it won’t be for a lack of trying.
        Thanks for all your help.

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  8. I like that very much. That the murders may not have happened upstairs at all. And I think the last night he slept in his bed (and if he was plotting he likely didn’t sleep much) was Saturday night. D day was Sunday. He could have tossed his bed Sunday some time. But given the outlay of the house, the upper windows of the house and the risk that daylight or moonglow might shine through and neighbor cameras everywhere, he had to move with stealth. I am a little surprised that a small house dog would have to sleep in the garage, that’s a big house with many rooms a dog could be put in overnight so I think he would only be sequestered for special occasions, like the night in question since the neighbors didn’t hear him barking Friday or Saturday night. Only Sunday-Monday.

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  9. I also feel that he didn’t strangle the girls as that’s just too violent considering how close they all were. Assuming that he did kill them then I think he would have tried to do it as painlessly as possible so maybe heavy sedation first. I just hate to even visualise anything happening to those little girls.

    As for Dieter, if he was really barking all that night then something about that just does not add up for me. CW was likely highly anxious and I doubt he would have let the dog bark like crazy and risk drawing too much attention. It makes me wonder if he wasn’t there for much of the night prior to SW returning home? Assuming he killed them that afternoon or early evening after the neighbours party, then maybe that’s when he was disposing of their bodies. Dieter might not have been fed and unused to being locked up with nobody home. My dog goes absolutely nuts when this happens. If it was premeditated I personally just can’t see him deciding to kill them all at home and transport all three together. I’d think that it would take far too long and be far too risky. SW was no light-weight and disposing of her alone would have taken several hours. I think only she was taken in his truck after 5am that morning.

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